In this episode, Rob speaks to novelist, poet, novella writer, short story writer, mentor Sarah Butler about millenials, making a living as a writer, advances, tuition fees, navigating cities and the strangeness of having your book big upped by the Daily Mail. Loads of chat about her novels Before the Fire and Ten things I’ve Learnt about Love. This episode is for the writers, man.

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Namechecks:

Francesca Main, Rommi Smith