In this episode, Rob chats to Booker longlisted novelist and short story writer, Sophie Mackintosh about Joy Division, distrust of technology, the Booker prize (obvs) and being a bit goth. Rob and Kate come to you live from the infamous Salford pod. They chat about the US election, the art of grumbling, the Wu Tang Clan, quantum physics (I know!), the end of hip hop and the crazy government PREVENT policy keeping us from reading revolutionary literature.

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Links to stuff mentioned in the podcast:

The Breakfast Club morning show on Youtube

The powerful force that is Maxine Waters

Namechecks:

Joy Division, JB Priestley, Richard V Hirst, Anna Burns, Maxine Waters, Wu Tang Clan, Will Ashon, Daisy Johnson, John Gribbin, Tania Hershman, Trump (ugh), Norman Geras, Clare Fisher and Megan Hunter